Friday 10 November 1989

An interview with Jn. Ibrahim Sulaiman Sait Sahib


DEFEAT FASCIST FORCES
An interview with Jn. Ibrahim Sulaiman Sait Sahib
(President. Indian Union Muslim League)
Article published by ‘Crescent Times’ Monthly, November. 1989


Q. As the President of a National Party which stands for the rights of the Muslim community                                                                 how far have you been able to achieve your objectives in the parliament during last five years ? 
   
 A :  It is not the question of achievements for last five years. It in fact is the question of our  struggle for last three decades in the parliament. One has to understand that Muslim League has representation in both Houses of parliament ever since it came to existence. We had representation even in the constitution Assembly.

First of all, one has to understand the magnitude of problems the Muslim have been facing. They are denied their rightful, they have no security and their cultural identity is sought to be liquidated. Under such a situation we have endeavored  for the implementation of our right guaranteed in the secular constitution, we have tried our best to solve the problems and protect the cultural identity, of the Muslims. We have effectively met the challenges to the Islamic ideology. At the same time we have worked for protection  of the integrity of the country and maintenance of communal harmony.

Communal violence has been the greatest menace and active involvement of the state police force, in acts of the murder, arson and loot make matter worse. The continuous communal riots have destroyed all senses of security among the Muslims. We have tried to draw attention of the government and towards this menace and impressed on the authorities, that is should be tackled on a national level swiftly and effectively.

We have rushed to the rescue of victims and carried out relief work for rehabilitation of victims. We have also fought against the inadequate representation of Muslim in services – administration and judiciary, Police and central Forces, in Railway and Airlines, in nationalized Banks and public sector industries etc. The Muslims are 12% in India but nowhere in no sphere they are more than 2% to 3% Muslims.

We have therefore demanded reservation for Muslim minority in India in services, me educational and social backwardness. One the basis of the same success has been achieved by us in Kerala while we were partners in coalition government. Yet another major problems facing the Muslims is the conspiracy of fascist and communal forces to destroy the cultural identity of the Muslims based on Islamic ideology and personnel Law [Shariath]

It is with this objective that there has been attempts directly and indirectly in the religion. The legislation on compulsory sterilization, interference in Shariath by the supreme Court through judgment on Shahbanu case. The finance Bill on 1989 envisaging sale of all Wakfs  properties the investment of amount realized in Nationalized Bank and meeting the expenses by the interest secured from the Banks, for fulfilling the objectives of the Wakfs, like payment salaries to the Imam, education. Sinister attempts to convert Babri Mosque at Ayodhya in to a temple, by planning at the dead of night claiming it to be Ram Janma Bhoomi and restriction on prayers in the Mosque taken over by the Archeological Department as National Monuments.

The Muslim League members has to struggle hard, in all the matters mentioned above and by the help of Allah have succeeded in solution of many of them. The compulsory sterilization scheme had to be withdraw after intense opposition and disaster during agitation. Shrimathi Indira Gandhi was kind enough to understand, the basis of our opposition to the provisions about the Wakfs and they were withdraw accepting that paying and receiving interest is forbidden in Islam.

The interference of Shariarth by the Supreme court was annulled by getting a bill passed in the Parliament after a long drawn struggle in parliament and Indian wide agitation outside Parliament. It was gratifying that Rajiv Gandhi understood the deep feelings and intense concern for any sacrifice for the protection of Shariath.

The struggle for the protection of the sanctity of the Babri Masjid and prayers in mosque under archeological department is continuing. We have succeeded in getting the rights of Juma prayer established at Safdarjung Mosque in Delhi and the Babri Mosque issue has been referred special Bench of three Judges of Allahabad High Court.

The tragedy is the adamant attitude of the Viswa Hindu Parishath and other communal fascist forces refusing to join any negotiation for peaceful settlements or accept judicial decision. They are going ahead with their declared objective of demolishing the mosque and laying foundation of a temple over there. This was the much explosive problem which endangers the national integrity and communal harmony. I have to mention here that it was, we the Muslim League members, in parliament, though a few gave all support to the minority. The Government of Indira Gandhi in 1969 after the break –up on Indian National Congress and kept the democratic set up functioning. We then gave full support to the nationalization of banks and abolition of privy purses.

I must also add that we have stood shoulder to shoulder to protect integrity of the country whether at the time of confrontation with China and Pakistan. But we have opposed the MIS and also defamation Bill in Parliament while fighting for protection of the minority character and historic character of both Aligarh Muslim  University and Jamia Millia Islamia.

We have always behaved in parliament as a constructive opposition. We have lent support to the government in all matter which were in the interest of the country  and community , and opposed all such measures which according to us were not in the interest of the country and the community. Ours is a record, about which we are proud.

 Q. The force of Muslim League in most of the North-Indian states is very feeble though Muslim League has fought for the rights of the Muslims for the last four decades. Why is it so? Mr. Shihabuddin says that the younger generation of North India do not accept Muslim League since it is responsible for partition. Is  it correct?

A: It is not a fact that IUML has no roots in northern parts of the country. Of course it is true for about two decades. Muslims did not exist in northern parts of the country. This was due to the fact that after partition, the Muslims over there were subjected to terrible communal violence. The law and order machinery had broken down sudden crossing over in lakhs of the Hindus from Pakistan towards India and of Muslims towards Pakistan from India. The situation got worse with formation of Muslim League, in states like UP, Bihar and Bengal. Together with the Muslims who were economically sound and educated young men also went over to Pakistan. In large number for business and jobs respectively. This had created a vacuum in the political field and was a situation of disintegration. It was at this point of time that Moulana Abdul Kalam Azad, called a convention and urged the Muslims to join congress and have confidence on Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, the then prime minister setting security in India and for the solution of their problems, under the existing Pakistan situation then. He also wanted the Muslim league to dissolved. The Muslims in the Northern parts of the country to great extent responded and all India Muslim League was dissolved in some of the northern states.

But the Muslims in the south decided to continue Muslim League  under the leadership of Quide-Millath Mohammed Ismail Sahib. It was at a convention of the members of All India Muslim League Council left India. It was resolved to have Muslim League in the India as Indian Union Muslim League with a new constitution.  Nearly four crores of Muslims lived in India then. Their rights had to be protected and their problems solved with the protection of their cultural identity and securing them justice in all fields of activity.

It was only in late sixties the Indian Union Muslim League after a period of consolidation meeting all challenges to its existence, for over decades, decided to expand towards north. The response was tremendous in West Bengal, Bihar, UP, Rajasthan and Maharashtra. As by the passing of time, the Muslims in north got disillusioned with congress and the congress leadership because of the continuation of terrible communal holocaust particularly after 1962 starting from Jabalpur and spreading to Jamshadpur, Rourkela, Ahmadabad, Muradabad, Meeru , Allahabad, Ranchi and various other places in the north. Together with this no problem facing the Muslim were solved and there was complete discrimination against them with no adequate representation in any sphere government services, administration, Judiciary, Central Police Forces, or state police, Railways and in nationalized banks or public sector industries. The experiment of joining other so called secular parties was also nothing different. Even the Janatha Rule could not provide much needed security of life, property and honour and failed to provide jobs to the Muslim minority, who were being systematically pushed over in economic and educational fields.

The Muslim league leadership was therefore welcomed. Soon not only IUML units came to be organised in Maharashtra, West Bengal, UP, Rajasthan and the union territory of Delhi, but Muslim League candidates were elected to the state assemblies of Maharashtra, West Bengal and Uttar Pradesh. In 1971 a coalition government with the three Muslim league ministers was formed in West Bengal and members were elected to the corporation and central administrated territory of Delhi the capital city of India. How can anybody say, that younger generation in north India is not with Muslim League.

I concede that the projection of IUML in north has not been conspicuous and completely satisfactory. There are reasons for this. The economically crushed political disintegrated Muslims of the north facing communal violence continuously have no breathing time. The  resources at our command have been meager. All those who flocked towards Muslim league are young and poor Muslims, very a few old and rich. Together with this local leadership over has to be should the best of the integrity and character. Educated young men are coming up and therefore the future of IUML in north is Insha Allah  bright.

The charge that Muslim League has been responsible for partition is an exploded myth. This has been established Abdul kalam Azad in his book ‘India wins freedom’ with the  additional 30 pages published recently. Further Mr. S. M. Seervai’s book, has convincingly proved that this charges are baseless.

Such charges , whether they come from Mr.  Shihabuddin or any other quarters that the Muslims League is communal and fundamentalist party are farfetched charges  made with the alterier motives well known and have to be rejected. The fact of history is that the leadership of all India Muslim League were for implementation of the Cripp’s Plan of Untied India with a weak centre and for the ABC states enjoying full autonomy . It was the Congress , leadership that rejected the same destroying all changes of a untied India.

Q. What is your opinion about the new party formed by Mr. Shihabuddeen?

A. Mr. Syed Shihabuddeen remaining vice president of all India Muslim Majlis Mushavara and convener of the All India Babari Mosque Co-ordination committee. Where all Muslim political and non political Muslim parties have joint together with all Muslims parties communal. He has given the position by us. This is really sad and further adds insulate to injury that we do not have confidence on the Muslims in India. He has right enjoy to have his own views and draw conclusive but not at the cost of others had remaining attached to be called communal and now representative Muslim body’s. now he could not rescue a janatha dal and janatha where he stood had no future.

In the circumstance a new party has been formed by him. No doubt he has gained prominence through Majlis Mushavara and Babari Mosque campaign but is does not mean that all those over there will join in, and i see neither Muslims are being attached towards Insaf Party nor the non Muslims of course h will get some response here and there. Finally it will be flop.

The all changes in Janatha dal or congress coming to his rescue. In that case a seat here or a seat there is forcible. He says the Muslim parties and particulars Muslim League have not more than 5% support in the situation what will be the decimal proportion of the support he enjoys remains to be seen.

In any cases one thing is clear that the multiplicity of party’s is not going to solve the problem. The Muslims should have their own single political party and are on the basis political power they can bargain and achieve.